Wednesday, July 15, 2015

Demons Souls - Boss Order Analysis

As a huge fan of Demons Souls, I love seeing people fall in love with the game like I did years ago. That's why I enjoy watching blind LPs on Youtube, and checking the message boards on Gamefaqs and Reddit. One thing I've always wondered, though, is how my first playthrough compared to everybody else? What order do people normally beat the bosses in?

Demons Souls makes it possible to answer that question thanks to its trophy list - there's exactly one trophy for every boss. With the timestamps, it's possible to go back and check exactly what your boss order was. My plan was then to use PSN Profiles to gather data, but I didn't see a way to find what I was looking for. So I decided to use True Trophies, which has a smaller user base but better statistics. If you click on a trophy there, you can see every single person who's won it. That's what I needed.

I used the False King Allant trophy, figuring that it's probably the last boss trophy most people earned (there's no trophy solely for beating the game, since you don't get one for the evil ending). From there, it was just a slightly tedious task of entering every person's boss order who had won that trophy. Of the 1,205 people I checked, I ended up being able to use 1,164 for this analysis - the others either didn't beat all the bosses, lacked timestamps for some of them, or had something screwy.

I should also note that True Trophies' user base is much more hardcore than the average player. 25.7% of players there have platinumed the game, versus 10.7% on PSN Profiles and 2.4% overall (checked on PS4). However, the trophies do measure only the first time through the game, so hopefully it didn't have a huge effect on the stats. Of course, like PSN Profiles, people whose profiles are on True Trophies may not have actually signed up for the site themselves. Also, it's possible that some people may have played the European or Japanese versions first, since they have separate trophy lists. I only used the US list.


The Average Order




Average Trophy %
1-1 Phalanx 1.00 61.8
1-2 Tower Knight 3.00 44.9
2-1 Armor Spider 3.10 42.4
2-2 Flamelurker 5.73 33.7
4-1 Adjudicator 5.86 34.5
3-1 Fool's Idol 6.34 34.2
2-3 Dragon God 7.75 31.6
5-1 Leechmonger 8.87 31.0
4-2 Old Hero 9.76 27.2
3-2 Maneater 10.10 27.2
1-3 Penetrator 10.46 28.8
4-3 Storm King 11.50 26.5
3-3 Old Monk 11.85 26.2
5-2 Dirty Colossus 12.30 25.6
5-3 Maiden Astraea 13.78 25.1
1-4 False King 14.60 22.8

On the right, you'll find the trophy percentage (from the PS4, so that means everyone). Next to it is the average position of the sixteen bosses from the 1,164 people I looked at. Other than Flamelurker being two spots higher, they match up exactly the same. So, I really didn't need to do all this work to figure out what the average order was. However, I have a lot of other interesting info to share below.

One thing that stands out is how each world 5 (Valley of Defilement) boss is the last one beaten for its group (x-1, x-2, x-3). People seem to be affected by the layout of the worlds in Nexus; most people will end up doing the earlier worlds first even if you can do them in any order. Maybe they should've had all the archstones on ground level, with their positions randomized or something.

I think that this order sheds some light on boss difficulty as well. Flamelurker is considered to be a very hard boss, and if most people are beating him 4th, it's easy to understand how he got that reputation. The opposite is true for the Dirty Colossus - he should be tougher for the spot that most people are fighting him.


After Phalanx

Who do most people kill second?


Tower Knight 66.7% 776
Armor Spider 25.3% 294
Fool's Idol 2.1% 25
Adjudicator 5.0% 58
Leechmonger 0.9% 11

Exactly two-thirds of players continued straight past him, further into world 1 to kill the Tower Knight. I was surprised to check my own trophy list and see that I did the same thing. I always go for 4-1 first these days.

If you didn't kill the Tower Knight second, you probably killed the Armor Spider instead. If you killed one of the other three, then your playthrough was pretty unique.


First Archdemon

Which of the archdemons did most people kill first?


Dragon God 73.6% 857
Old Monk 7.5% 87
Storm King 14.0% 163
Maiden Astraea 4.9% 57

It is very, very common for players to immediately clear out the entire second world before moving on to any of the last three. It's also very common to do this, in general, for any of the worlds, as you'll see next.


Clearing an Entire World in Order

Beating all three of the bosses in a row:


World 2 31.0% 361
World 3 28.2% 328
World 4 27.0% 314
World 5 40.8% 475

It's most common for world 5, where lots of people tended to leave the entire thing until last or near last.


Final Boss

Who was the last boss killed?


False King 69.4% 808
Dragon God 1.0% 12
Old Monk 5.9% 69
Storm King 3.4% 40
Maiden Astraea 20.2% 235

I'm surprised that over 30% didn't finish with the False King, and also that so many ended with Astraea instead. It's pretty unusual to end with any of the other three.


Most Common Back-to-Back Kills



Boss 1 Boss 2

1 Dirty Colossus Maiden Astraea 82.6% 961
2 Old Hero Storm King 75.3% 876
3 Maneater Old Monk 74.2% 864
4 Flamelurker Dragon God 67.3% 783
5 Phalanx Tower Knight 66.7% 776
6 Tower Knight Armor Spider 57.8% 673
7 Leechmonger Dirty Colossus 45.6% 531
8 Armor Spider Flamelurker 43.3% 504
9 Penetrator False King 36.7% 427
10 Dragon God Penetrator 35.1% 408

What this means is that 82.6% of people who beat the Dirty Colossus, then beat Maiden Astraea next. The top are the final two fights of worlds 2-5. I guess a lot of people enter the fog and immediately see a boss fight, so why not finish it right away? Tower Knight to Armor Spider and Dragon God to Penetrator are the only pairings from different worlds.


Least Common Back-to-Back Kills

There were seven pairings that were never seen:


Boss 1 Boss 2
Tower Knight Old Monk
Armor Spider Old Monk
Armor Spider Storm King
Armor Spider Maiden Astraea
Flamelurker Maiden Astraea
Adjudicator Maiden Astraea
Dirty Colossus Armor Spider

Everything else that was possible was seen at least once.


The Next Boss

Here's the full list of which bosses were beaten next after defeating one. To read this: For example, directly after beating the False King, 5 people beat 2-1, 11 people beat 2-2, 17 people beat 2-3, and so on. When looking at a column, it tells you which boss was beaten directly before (i.e. 46 people who beat 1-3 had just beaten 1-2).



1-1 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-1 2-2 2-3 3-1 3-2 3-3 4-1 4-2 4-3 5-1 5-2 5-3 (done)
1-1 Phalanx
776

294

25

58

11


1-2 Tower Knight

46
673 122 10 87 6 0 134 10 1 70 4 1
1-3 Penetrator


427 13 23 23 128 125 52 77 111 32 82 54 17
1-4 False King



5 11 17 39 51 30 25 41 19 44 56 18 808
2-1 Armor Spider
129 3 4
504
255 4 0 188 16 0 57 4 0
2-2 Flamelurker
18 8 1

783 115 71 4 70 25 3 50 16 0
2-3 Dragon God
17 408 24


170 92 44 119 90 34 82 57 15 12
3-1 Fool's Idol
61 46 13 34 112 57
396
259 48 12 108 15 3
3-2 Maneater
1 26 14 2 9 26

864 34 105 13 36 28 6
3-3 Old Monk
7 158 138 4 19 29


108 159 96 172 158 47 69
4-1 Adjudicator
56 38 11 78 156 39 124 45 10
389
211 7 0
4-2 Old Hero
2 26 12 6 20 21 17 46 23

876 32 76 7
4-3 Storm King
9 131 139 19 33 37 99 139 62


209 158 89 40
5-1 Leechmonger
66 47 23 30 124 43 61 83 16 67 65 8
531

5-2 Dirty Colossus
1 26 15 0 4 58 8 25 20 2 18 26

961
5-3 Maiden Astraea
21 201 343 6 27 21 36 81 39 23 87 44


235


Most Common Boss Orders

Here's the top five most common boss orders taken through the game:

#1 - 29 times (2.49% of players)

1-1
1-2
2-1
2-2
2-3
1-3
3-1
3-2
3-3
4-1
4-2
4-3
5-1
5-2
5-3
1-4

This beats the Tower Knight, clears out world 2, takes out the Penetrator at the first opportunity, then clears the final three worlds in order before facing off with the False King.


#2 - 18 times (1.55%)

1-1
1-2
2-1
2-2
2-3
3-1
3-2
3-3
4-1
4-2
4-3
5-1
5-2
5-3
1-3
1-4

This differs from the first only by doing the Penetrator second to last, rather than when his stage opens.


#3, tied - 10 times (0.86%)

1-1
1-2
2-1
2-2
2-3
1-3
1-4
3-1
3-2
3-3
4-1
4-2
4-3
5-1
5-2
5-3

This is what I like to call the "stupid order." You just start on the left, and complete every world as soon as you can, ending with Maiden Astraea. Kind of similar to the first two, but this one kills the False King as soon as possible, which couldn't have been easy.


#3, tied - 10 times (0.86%)

1-1
2-1
3-1
4-1
5-1
1-2
2-2
3-2
4-2
5-2
2-3
1-3
3-3
4-3
5-3
1-4

This is the "recommended order." Most of the time, people will suggest to new players that they beat the first level of every world first, the second levels next, and so on.


#5 - 8 times (0.69%)

1-1
2-1
4-1
4-2
4-3
3-1
1-2
5-1
2-2
2-3
3-2
3-3
5-2
5-3
1-3
1-4

I have no explanation for this one. They all seemed to beat the game more recently (not in the early days of its release). So maybe going to 4-1 for the crescent falchion, they then decided to complete that world before moving on. It's the only order in the top five not to beat the Dragon God as the first archdemon.

All other orders were seen six times or fewer. Most players had a completely unique order, including my own.


Speadsheet Link

Here's the full list of player orders I used for this post:

Google Spreadsheet link

Friday, October 11, 2013

PS1 Classics on PSN - Ranked by number of reviews

On PSN, each game can be rated from 1-5 stars. This can only be done if you've purchased the game, so looking at the number of reviews is a way of seeing which games have sold the most copies. It's not perfect, but it's a decent way to judge sale figures without them being officially released.

Of course, some games might have more passionate fans who are more likely to review it than others. Also, many of the games were given away free on Playstation Plus, which greatly increases the number of "owners." Those games are noted below - some of them were given away more than once. In addition, Wild Arms was given away free at one point to everyone (supposedly to Vita owners only, but you could access it on your PS3 by adding it to your download list via the web store).

These numbers were recorded on October 10, 2013 for all 207 PS1 classics in the store. At least three more games were previously available, but have since been removed (Jet Moto 3, R-Type Delta, R-Types). Game list and release dates were taken from Wikipedia.

The final column, RPD, indicates the number of reviews per day since the game was released on PSN.

Most Reviews - PS1 Classics on PSN



Reviews Game Title Released Notes RPD
1 28851 Final Fantasy VII  2009-06-02
18.13
2 14899 Resident Evil 2  2009-11-19 plus 10.48
3 13910 Final Fantasy VIII  2009-12-17
9.99
4 13475 Final Fantasy IX  2010-06-15
11.11
5 11382 Resident Evil 3: Nemesis  2009-12-03 plus 8.09
6 9048 Metal Gear Solid  2009-06-18
5.74
7 8505 Resident Evil  2009-05-28 plus 5.33
8 8222 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night  2007-07-19 plus 3.61
9 5772 MediEvil  2006-12-21 plus 2.32
10 5564 Silent Hill  2009-09-10 plus 3.73
11 5302 Crash Team Racing  2010-08-10 plus x2 4.58
12 5175 Crash Bandicoot  2006-12-04 plus 2.07
13 5083 Legend of Dragoon  2012-05-01
9.65
14 5040 Crash Bandicoot: Warped  2008-02-07 plus 2.43
15 4917 Xenogears  2011-02-22
5.12
16 4765 Spyro the Dragon  2007-10-25 plus x2 2.19
17 4651 Final Fantasy Tactics  2009-09-17
3.13
18 4359 Suikoden  2008-12-23
2.49
19 3952 Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back  2008-01-10 plus 1.88
20 3723 Parasite Eve  2011-03-15
3.96
21 3574 Twisted Metal 2  2007-11-01
1.65
22 3070 Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage!  2009-05-07 plus x2 1.90
23 3058 Spyro: Year of the Dragon  2009-05-14 plus x2 1.90
24 2800 Wild Arms  2007-12-06 free 1.31
25 2794 Syphon Filter  2006-12-04 plus x2 1.12
26 2758 Rally Cross  2007-01-11 plus 1.12
27 2745 Final Fantasy VI  2011-12-06
4.07
28 2737 Castlevania Chronicles  2008-12-18 plus 1.56
29 2711 Chrono Trigger  2011-10-04
3.68
30 2622 Grandia  2009-04-22
1.61
31 2531 Dino Crisis  2009-11-25
1.79
32 2491 Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus  2009-10-22 plus x2 1.72
33 2479 Lilo & Stitch: Trouble in Paradise  2011-03-08 plus 2.62
34 2469 Chrono Cross  2011-11-08
3.52
35 2247 Final Fantasy V  2011-11-22 plus 3.27
36 2132 Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver  2009-11-19
1.50
37 2058 Vagrant Story  2011-03-01
2.16
38 1830 Breath of Fire IV  2011-08-16
2.33
39 1812 Parasite Eve II  2011-08-23
2.33
40 1711 Legend of Mana  2011-03-22
1.83
41 1674 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee  2009-10-22 plus 1.16
42 1615 Street Fighter Alpha 2  2009-06-04
1.02
43 1611 SimCity 2000  2009-08-27
1.07
44 1603 Street Fighter Alpha  2008-08-14
0.85
45 1362 Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain  2009-09-10
0.91
46 1347 Harvest Moon: Back to Nature  2011-02-08
1.38
47 1336 Wild Arms 2  2009-07-23
0.87
48 1332 Tekken 2  2006-12-04
0.53
49 1310 King of Fighters '99  2009-05-14
0.81
50 1218 Dino Crisis 2  2011-04-19
1.35
51 1211 Alundra  2010-10-12
1.11
52 1196 Syphon Filter 3  2008-06-12 plus x2 0.61
53 1167 Destruction Derby  2007-02-15 plus 0.48
54 1164 Rayman  2008-07-17
0.61
55 1082 UmJammer Lammy  2009-10-01 plus 0.74
56 1055 Front Mission 3  2010-12-21
1.03
57 1045 Bloody Roar 2  2010-06-08
0.86
58 1022 Tomba!  2012-06-19
2.14
59 983 Sim Theme Park  2010-02-11
0.74
60 974 2Xtreme  2007-02-08 plus 0.40
61 916 Fighting Force  2009-11-25
0.65
62 909 Syphon Filter 2  2009-09-10 plus 0.61
63 903 Star Wars: Dark Forces  2010-04-29
0.72
64 886 Hot Shots Golf 2  2006-12-04 plus 0.35
64 886 Tomb Raider II  2009-08-27
0.59
66 866 Final Fantasy Origins  2012-01-10
1.36
67 858 Medal of Honor  2009-06-02
0.54
68 830 Rayman 2: The Great Escape  2008-12-18
0.47
69 792 Street Fighter Alpha 3  2011-10-18
1.10
70 783 Warhawk  2007-12-20 plus 0.37
71 768 Jet Moto  2007-02-01 plus 0.31
71 768 Tomb Raider  2009-08-13
0.51
73 695 Threads of Fate  2011-04-19
0.77
74 660 Pocket Fighter  2011-02-08
0.68
75 637 Metal Slug X  2011-01-18
0.64
76 633 Command & Conquer: Red Alert - Retaliation  2009-12-03
0.45
77 607 Rockman 2: Dr. Wily no Nazo  2011-02-01
0.62
78 606 Bloody Roar  2009-08-20
0.40
79 599 Arc the Lad  2010-10-12
0.55
80 563 Rockman  2011-01-18
0.57
81 545 Toy Story 2: Buzz Lightyear to the Rescue  2011-03-08
0.58
82 541 Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation  2009-10-15
0.37
83 526 Command & Conquer: Red Alert  2009-11-12
0.37
84 523 Gex 3: Deep Cover Gecko  2009-10-01
0.36
85 514 Theme Hospital  2010-08-31
0.45
86 513 Gex  2009-11-05
0.36
87 502 Klonoa: Door to Phantomile  2011-12-27
0.77
88 485 Tomb Raider III  2009-09-17
0.33
89 437 Medal of Honor: Underground  2009-06-11
0.28
90 428 Jet Moto 2  2008-01-24
0.21
91 416 International Track & Field  2009-11-25 plus 0.29
92 409 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six  2009-05-21
0.26
93 408 Gaia Seed  2010-09-20
0.37
94 398 Nuclear Strike  2009-10-01
0.27
95 392 Rockman 3: Dr. Wily no Saigo!?  2011-03-08
0.41
96 390 Wipeout  2007-03-08
0.16
97 376 R4: Ridge Racer Type 4  2011-03-08
0.40
98 375 Cho- Aniki: Kyu-kyoku Muteki Ginga Saikyo- Otoko  2010-09-20
0.34
99 370 Jumping Flash!  2007-01-04
0.15
100 367 Command & Conquer  2009-11-25
0.26
101 344 Persona 2: Eternal Punishment  2013-02-26
1.52
102 343 Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom  2009-12-22
0.25
103 341 Populous: The Beginning  2010-02-11
0.26
104 324 Darkstalkers 3  2012-04-24
0.61
105 316 Arc the Lad II  2010-11-23
0.30
106 313 Bomberman Party Edition  2009-12-10
0.22
107 312 Toy Story Racer  2010-07-27
0.27
108 295 Vanguard Bandits  2011-11-15
0.42
109 293 Darkstalkers: The Night Warriors  2011-11-29
0.43
110 277 Disney's Hercules: Action Game  2010-07-27
0.24
111 272 Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV: Wall of Fire  2011-02-15
0.28
112 269 Arcade Hits: Shienryu  2010-10-19
0.25
113 249 Championship Bass  2010-01-21
0.18
114 234 Saiyuki: Journey West  2011-02-15
0.24
115 225 A Bug's Life  2010-07-27
0.19
116 216 Reel Fishing  2009-11-25
0.15
117 212 Twisted Metal  2013-02-12
0.88
118 210 Cool Boarders 2  2009-08-27
0.14
119 208 Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare  2012-05-22
0.41
120 204 Rockman 4: Aratanaru Yabo-!!  2011-09-06
0.27
121 202 Re-loaded  2011-01-04
0.20
122 200 Pandemonium  2009-10-08
0.14
123 198 Arcade Hits: Sonic Wings Special  2010-11-16
0.19
124 192 Cool Boarders 3  2009-09-03
0.13
124 192 Tekken  2011-06-03
0.22
126 183 Arc the Lad III  2011-01-04
0.18
127 165 Soviet Strike  2010-09-14
0.15
128 163 One  2010-03-18
0.13
129 157 Reel Fishing II  2011-02-08
0.16
130 155 Jumping Flash! 2  2009-10-01
0.11
131 154 N2O: Nitrous Oxide  2010-06-01
0.13
132 142 Arcade Hits: Outlaws Of The Lost Dynasty  2010-10-05
0.13
132 142 Cyberbots: Full Metal Madness  2011-09-13
0.19
132 142 Magical Drop F - Daibouken Mo Rakujyanai!  2010-10-05
0.13
135 140 Cool Boarders  2006-12-04
0.06
136 138 Future Cop: LAPD  2012-04-24
0.26
137 132 Money Idol Exchanger  2010-11-16
0.12
138 123 Emperor's New Groove  2010-07-27
0.11
139 117 Bomberman Fantasy Race  2010-05-18
0.09
139 117 Monsters, Inc. Scream Team  2011-03-08
0.12
141 114 Arc Arena: Monster Tournament  2010-11-23
0.11
142 113 Myst  2012-05-15
0.22
143 112 Galaxy Fight: Universal Warriors  2010-12-14
0.11
144 109 Motor Toon Grand Prix  2010-07-20
0.09
145 104 Ford Racing  2009-05-21
0.06
146 102 Destrega  2011-02-15
0.11
147 93 Dezaemon Plus!  2010-11-30
0.09
148 90 Dirt Jockey: Heavy Equipment Operator  2010-02-11
0.07
149 89 Rapid Angel  2011-07-05
0.11
150 88 Bowling  2009-05-07
0.05
150 88 Mobile Light Force  2009-06-25
0.06
152 82 Sentimental Graffiti  2013-03-12
0.39
153 77 Delta Force: Urban Warfare  2010-05-25
0.06
154 71 Ten Pin Alley  2009-08-13
0.05
155 67 Hogs of War  2013-03-19
0.33
156 64 Magic Carpet  2010-02-18
0.05
156 64 Sno-Cross Championship Racing  2008-10-16
0.04
158 59 TNN Motorsports Hardcore 4X4  2010-04-01
0.05
159 56 Backstreet Billiards  2009-11-25
0.04
160 55 Mass Destruction  2010-02-18
0.04
161 50 Extreme Pinball  2010-01-28
0.04
161 50 Jigsaw Madness  2010-03-18
0.04
163 47 Pong: The Next Level  2011-09-13
0.06
163 47 Zanac X Zanac  2012-12-04
0.15
165 46 Centipede  2011-12-20
0.07
166 45 Spec Ops: Stealth Patrol  2009-07-09
0.03
167 43 Spec Ops: Airbourne Commando  2009-07-30
0.03
168 42 Favorite Dear: Enkan no Monogatari  2013-03-12
0.20
169 41 XS Junior League Soccer  2009-07-09
0.03
169 41 Spec Ops: Ranger Elite  2009-07-16
0.03
169 41 XS Junior League Dodgeball  2010-04-15
0.03
172 40 Tall Unlimited  2010-10-19
0.04
173 39 Sorcerer's Maze  2010-02-18
0.03
174 37 Perfect Weapon  2010-03-25
0.03
174 37 Peter Pan: Adventures in Never Land  2011-03-08
0.04
176 35 Dead in the Water  2009-08-13
0.02
177 34 Kyuiin  2011-07-19
0.04
178 33 Virtual Pool 3  2010-11-02
0.03
179 31 Yakiniku Bugyou  2011-07-05
0.04
180 30 Spec Ops: Covert Assault  2009-07-23
0.02
181 28 Little Mermaid II  2012-06-26
0.06
182 27 Dezaemon Kids!  2011-11-02
0.04
182 27 Monster Bass!  2011-10-25
0.04
184 25 First Queen IV  2013-03-12
0.12
185 24 Hi-Octane  2010-01-28
0.02
186 23 Blockids  2010-11-30
0.02
187 20 Missile Command  2011-06-02
0.02
188 18 XS Moto  2010-04-15
0.01
189 13 XS Junior League Football  2011-10-11
0.02
190 12 Makeruna! Makendo- 2  2012-12-04
0.04
190 12 Rung Rung: Oz no Mahou Tsukai - Another World  2013-03-12
0.06
192 11 Arcade Hits: Magical Drop  2011-11-02
0.02
192 11 Mahjong Uranai Fortuna: Tsuki no Megami-tachi  2013-03-12
0.05
194 9 Motorhead  2013-03-12
0.04
195 7 Lup*Salad  2012-12-04
0.02
195 7 Mahjong Youchien: Tamago Gumi  2013-04-09
0.04
195 7 XS Airboat Racing  2010-04-08
0.01
198 6 Evergreen Avenue  2013-04-09
0.03
198 6 Favorite Dear: Jyunpaku no Yogensha  2013-04-09
0.03
200 4 Art Camion Sugorokuden  2012-12-04
0.01
200 4 Finger Flashing  2012-12-04
0.01
202 3 0 Kara no Shogi: Shogi Youchien Ayumi Kumi R  2013-05-07
0.02
202 3 Vehicle Cavalier  2012-12-04
0.01
204 2 Mahjong Youchien: Tamago Gumi 2  2013-05-07
0.01
204 2 Trump Shiyouyo! Fukkoku-ban  2013-03-12
0.01
204 2 Turnabout  2012-09-25
0.01
207 1 Motto Trump Shiyouyo! i-Mode de Grand Prix  2013-05-07
0.01